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Morgana Post number 26559 Posted: 27th September 2020     Subject: Same Sex Initiation Should Be Valid In Wicca
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Same Sex Initiation Should Be Valid In Wicca
When I was initiated it looked like the old heteronormative cisgender ideals of man initiates woman and woman initiates man were slowly being phased out.

Fast forward twenty years and here we are still arguing over the same tired old subject.

As Wiccans we scoff at other religions who insist on the written information being continually right and valid whatever new evidence and ethics shines a light on. Yet barely seventy years on from the repealing of the witchcraft act, our religion is already drowning in unnecessary dogma.

There are several arguments for keeping initiations cross gender, the first being itís always been done this way. I think we can all see why a pin needs to be stuck in that bubble. Tradition is beautiful, blind faith when we can see a better way is not.

For many years the argument was based in polarity. The gender distinction between the God (male) and the Goddess (female) created an energy current which was essential to initiation.
Then the argument went down the sexual attraction line. You were supposed to have a sexual current with your initiator.

But what happens if youíre gay?

What happens if youíre asexual?

What happens if you really want to be initiated by someone you wouldnít want to have sex with for whatever reason? Or letís flip itÖ you want to be initiated by someone who doesnít have a sexual interest in you.

It all seems a bit silly to me.

We no longer have the same beliefs when it comes to sexuality and gender. I donít need a penis to draw down the God and I donít need a vagina to be a woman.
I also donít think Same Sex Initiation should be limited to whether you identify as gay or bi/ pansexual.

We know Alex Sanders initiated men; and yet whilst we claim him as one of the founders of our tradition, we reject a chunk of his downline. Men he initiated himself. Oftentimes men he loved dearly.

For what? ďTraditionĒ?

Iíve looked hard at Gardnerian tradition and tried to work out why cross gender initiation was a thing in the first place; especially when Gardner clearly said mothers could initiate sons and fatherís initiate daughters. He even said a woman could strap on a sword and play the role of the High Priest at any point. This suggests Same Sex Initiation can happen if itís a woman initiating another woman.

Was Gardner homophobic? Are we enforcing a tired old tradition which doesnít suit us based on one manís homophobia in 1953?
Not necessarily his own.

Remember when the witchcraft act was repealed and Gardner was growing his new religion, homosexual acts between men were still illegal in the UK. You could practise witchcraft, but you couldnít have sex with another man without risking imprisonment and being labelled a sex offender.

Gardner was advocating men being naked in the same room together. What he couldnít do was allow any instance of sexual energy between men. Not if he wanted to stay within the law. The sexual element of early Gardnerian witchcraft meant he had to be careful how his practise was perceived.

I believe the boy Ė girl Ė boy Ė girl standing around the circle and the Same Sex Initiation was part of this rather than for any esoteric reason.

When Alex Sanders burst onto the witchcraft scene with his own brand of witchcraft homosexuality was no longer illegal which meant it was no longer a concern if men initiated men.
Therefore, Alex himself initiated men where he had a specific connection to them.

Some of the people we consider to be elders or movers and shakers today have Same Sex Initiation in their uplines. Often the same people who are against the practise are quite happy to include them in initiatory spaces.

There are many people, including myself, who are willing to give Same Sex Initiations. But we wonít start doing so until the wider community accepts them. Which is frustrating because it takes people to start doing so and then throwing their arms out and saying, ďHere are my Same Sex Initiates, are you going to accept them or not? Ē in order to create change.

For me itís too much of a risk to ask from a dedicant. Mostly because they have no idea how the Wiccan community works until theyíre in it and canít make an educated decision on whether theyíre prepared to fight for their right to exist.

Thereís rarely a time an initiator of the Ďrightí gender canít be found. If this has happened Iíd question whether thatís a coven you want to join when no one from the community is willing to stand in for them.
In many ways it seems unnecessary then to rock the boat when you donít have to.

Iíve seen what having to question the validity of their initiation does to people. I would not wish that on anyone.

But whilst no one is making that first step for these important ethical reasons I think itís key this conversation continues until Same Sex Initiation becomes a valid choice for initiates. Not just because theyíre gay or transgender or non-binary. But because the person they chose to do the bulk of their training with was the same gender as them.

We need to keep having this conversation. Validating Same Sex Initiation is the right thing to do for the future of the tradition. ... isqus_thread
ChristopherBlackwell Post number 26560 Posted: 27th September 2020     Subject: Not everyone believes that sex need be a part of initation
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Even years ago, not everyone felt the need for sex to be part of initiation.
Back in the mid 1980s, while my high priestess believed in polarity, and ceremonial
nudity, she never suggested sex itself. Nor would I have wanted it as it did not phase with my own sexualiy. At this stage of life, I would question nudity itself.


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